Posts by Sea Breeze

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Zechariah 12:10 Corruption in the NWT

by Sea Breeze in

here's a question for those who still support watchtower on this forum.

why did watchtower leave out the word "me" in zech.

zechariah 12:10 reads like this: .

Sea Breeze

The objection from 1 John 4:12 (“No one has ever seen God”)...

God was veiled in human flesh that same way that Moses had to wear a veil because his face showed the brilliance of the Lord after meeting with him on Sinai.

Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh. - Hebrews 10: 19&20

Chrysostom quoted Hebrews 10:20 in his homilies on Hebrews and interpreted the verse, stating that "Christ's flesh shows us the Godhead as if it were under a veil, For otherwise we could not stand the brightness of it."

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Hebrews 1: 8 Corruption in the NWT

by Sea Breeze in

the watchtower translates this verse like this: .

but about the son, he says: “god is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.

- hebrews 1: 8 nwt.

Sea Breeze

St. John Chrysostom was probably the most famous preacher in the first 300 years after the cross. Very well known.Nicknamed "Golden-mouth". Very gifted orator.

He refers to Hebrews 1:8, explaining the Father's words to the Son. He highlights the Father directly addressing the Son as God ("Your throne, O God"), emphasizing the Son's divine nature and eternal reign. This is notable, as the passage indicates the Father speaking, a detail Chrysostom points out, while affirming that the Son is clearly designated as God.

If this wasn't the traditional view, he would have been roundly criticized. But no one did.

Many other early leaders called Jesus "God" in their writings, because he proved it and they believed it.

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They are running out of people to do their stuff.

by liam in

this is the watchtower study article being studied today.

so it’s the current new light!.

what are the new qualifications to be an “elder-aka older man...and circuit overseer?.

Sea Breeze

Now you get 3 foot high boys doing mics and things instead of sisters

Man that must be humiliating to the adult males who regularly come. At least it would have been for me back in the day.

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Zechariah 12:10 Corruption in the NWT

by Sea Breeze in

here's a question for those who still support watchtower on this forum.

why did watchtower leave out the word "me" in zech.

zechariah 12:10 reads like this: .

Sea Breeze

Let me see if I understand you correctly.

Indeed.

I must admit that I like shortcuts. I pretty much just see how the first few generations of Christian leaders either quoted or paraphrased a particular verse that heretics say is wrong. If I find two or more supporting the traditional reading, (as I do 98% of the time) that's good enough for me.

Helps me skip a lot of reading about grammar and foreign languages so I can do more important things. But, I do appreciate all the posts on these "corruption" threads. Very enlightening.

Did I mention my three sons and I caught 8 large red snapper (the limit) in the Gulf of America last weekend? Yes, I do other things than hang out here. Hope you all do too!

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Acts 20: 28 Corruption in the NWT

by Sea Breeze in

here's how this verse should read: .

take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the holy ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of god, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

- kjvhere's how it reads in the nwt: pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of god, which he purchased with the blood of his own son.. here is how it reads in the kjv with the greek keyed to strong's: take heedg4337 thereforeg3767 unto yourselves,g1438 andg2532 to allg3956 theg3588 flock,g4168 overg1722 the whichg3739 theg3588 holyg40 ghostg4151 hath madeg5087 youg5209 overseers,g1985 to feedg4165 theg3588 churchg1577 of god,g2316 whichg3739 he hath purchasedg4046 withg1223 his owng2398 blood.g129 .

Sea Breeze

@Earnest

We have already discussed that writings of early church leaders were hopelessly corrupted by the fourth century.

And that charge has been roundly defeated. You have shown no evidence of this charge. Where is the push-back that would have come from the disciples of the apostles? It is the other way around isn't it? The disciples of the apostles were fighting heresies, which is the reason they wrote so much material for us to check with,

We have thousands of pages from the 1-4th centuries. So, your claims are easily fact-checked and defeated.... as have been so thoroughly demonstrated on this thread.

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Acts 20: 28 Corruption in the NWT

by Sea Breeze in

here's how this verse should read: .

take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the holy ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of god, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

- kjvhere's how it reads in the nwt: pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of god, which he purchased with the blood of his own son.. here is how it reads in the kjv with the greek keyed to strong's: take heedg4337 thereforeg3767 unto yourselves,g1438 andg2532 to allg3956 theg3588 flock,g4168 overg1722 the whichg3739 theg3588 holyg40 ghostg4151 hath madeg5087 youg5209 overseers,g1985 to feedg4165 theg3588 churchg1577 of god,g2316 whichg3739 he hath purchasedg4046 withg1223 his owng2398 blood.g129 .

Sea Breeze

@Ernest

When one can choose between four textually valid readings it is absurd....

Your premise is unfounded. There are not 4 equally valid readings of this passage. This is easily proven by how the early church leaders quoted and paraphrased this passage.

Aqwsed and I have provided numerous examples of these in our previous posts on this thread. How do you propose to overcome those?

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Hebrews 1: 8 Corruption in the NWT

by Sea Breeze in

the watchtower translates this verse like this: .

but about the son, he says: “god is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.

- hebrews 1: 8 nwt.

Sea Breeze

The Watchtower translates this verse like this:

But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness. - Hebrews 1: 8 NWT

But it should read like this:

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. - KJV

Why did the Watchtower change this verse?

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Acts 20: 28 Corruption in the NWT

by Sea Breeze in

here's how this verse should read: .

take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the holy ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of god, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

- kjvhere's how it reads in the nwt: pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of god, which he purchased with the blood of his own son.. here is how it reads in the kjv with the greek keyed to strong's: take heedg4337 thereforeg3767 unto yourselves,g1438 andg2532 to allg3956 theg3588 flock,g4168 overg1722 the whichg3739 theg3588 holyg40 ghostg4151 hath madeg5087 youg5209 overseers,g1985 to feedg4165 theg3588 churchg1577 of god,g2316 whichg3739 he hath purchasedg4046 withg1223 his owng2398 blood.g129 .

Sea Breeze

@aqwsed

Early Christian writers like Ignatius of Antioch, in his Epistle to the Ephesians (ca. 107 CE), unabashedly spoke of “the blood of God,” (Note: Antioch was where the term "Christians" was first used)

Ignatius of Antioch is traditionally believed to have been a disciple of John the Apostle along with Polycarp.

He was simply repeating what him and John and Polycarp repeatedly talked about, and what is clearly taught in scripture. Otherwise he would have been abandoned as a heretic.

Ignatius of Antioch, writing to the Ephesian community to which the elders belonged, exhorts them to “rekindle yourselves in the blood of God,” echoing Acts 20:28

More from Ignatius:

He uses the phrase "blood of God" in his letter to the Ephesians, stating that they "took on new life through the blood of God". He also refers to "Jesus Christ, our God" and his blood as the means of salvation.

He also wrote:

"Being the followers of God, and stirring up yourselves by the blood of God, ye have perfectly accomplished the work which was beseeming to you."

Tertullian:

Tertullian writes, regarding Christians: "So far as I know, we are not our own, but bought with a price; and what kind of price? The blood of God."

The overwhelming evidence for anyone truly seeking salvation, friendship, and peace with God is that: The Christian God bleeds. If anyone is seeking any other kind of god, they got the wrong God, the wrong Jesus, and the wrong Savior.

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Acts 20: 28 Corruption in the NWT

by Sea Breeze in

here's how this verse should read: .

take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the holy ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of god, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

- kjvhere's how it reads in the nwt: pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of god, which he purchased with the blood of his own son.. here is how it reads in the kjv with the greek keyed to strong's: take heedg4337 thereforeg3767 unto yourselves,g1438 andg2532 to allg3956 theg3588 flock,g4168 overg1722 the whichg3739 theg3588 holyg40 ghostg4151 hath madeg5087 youg5209 overseers,g1985 to feedg4165 theg3588 churchg1577 of god,g2316 whichg3739 he hath purchasedg4046 withg1223 his owng2398 blood.g129 .

Sea Breeze

Should Acts 20:28 then be understood to refer to the blood of God the Father?

No, God is a triune being, but only one substance - one God, three persons. God the Son, of the same essence as the Father and H.S. was permanently fused with the son of Mary. This is why/how God can bleed.

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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?

by Sea Breeze in

simply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.

that's how they sold it.

the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!

Sea Breeze

In conclusion, the “nothing” of physics is always a kind of something—a quantum vacuum, a potential, a set of laws—never the absolute nothingness of metaphysics.

Most internet atheists are materialists. This tempts them to sometimes try to describe "nothing" as something with no mass, unable to see, touch, or measure. However, most are familiar with high school physics where we learned how light travels as both a wave and a particle. While travelling as a wave, it is nothing more than a mathematical probability function. Upon observing it however, the wave function collapses into physical particles called photons. Photons are detectible by the receptors in our eyes.

This first video describes the wave function of light.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuv6hY6zsd0&ab_channel=Veritasium

This second video explains how it collapses into particles immediately upon observation (almost like it was made for us)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kfGRO6msQw&ab_channel=Newsthink

It has also been demonstrated that chunks of matter (several hundred atoms) can also travel as a wave and collapse into matter.

So when Creationists ask atheists how did nothing create everything, we mean the total absence of matter, waves, numbers, probabilities, electric charges and potential values - everything.